From david.ottalini at verizon.net  Wed Mar 10 07:55:18 2004
From: david.ottalini at verizon.net (David Ottalini)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 07:55:18 -0500
Subject: [APPLE3-L] Fwd: Apple III pix up!
Message-ID: <27EB93D6A797D411A41F00D0B7D4E81C02A52233@exchange.prog.altair.com>

///ers - take a look! Anyone remember anything about a 1 Meg ROM Simm or
a Centram Systems card (networking I think). 

Dave 

Begin forwarded message: 


> From: Bruce Damer <bdamer at digitalspace.com> 
> Date: March 10, 2004 1:40:24 AM EST 
> To: David Ottalini <david.ottalini at verizon.net> 
> Subject: Apple III pix up! 
> 
> Hi Dave, I finally got our wonderful Apple III pix up at: 
> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/appleIII/index.html 
> 
>  This is the one from Apple's own library that they donated, a real
> treasure. 
> 
>  Bruce 
> 
>  At 08:49 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote: 
> 
> Great!   I fired up the /// in the WAP office today - everyone enjoyed
> watching the horses run through their paces... 
> 
>  Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> DigitalSpace 
> 343 Soquel Avenue, # 70 
> Santa Cruz CA 95062-2305 USA 
> damer at digitalspace.com 
> 
> 
> http://www.digitalspace.com 
> 


From michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us  Wed Mar 10 09:30:21 2004
From: michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us (Michel Py)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 06:30:21 -0800
Subject: [APPLE3-L] Fwd: Apple III pix up!
Message-ID: <DD7FE473A8C3C245ADA2A2FE1709D90B0DAF82@server2003.arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>

> ///ers - take a look! Anyone remember anything about a 1 Meg ROM Simm

This is not a /// board; it comes from a Mac IIci


> or a Centram Systems card (networking I think).

This is not a /// board either; it's an IBM PC 8 bit localtalk card
(look at the fingers, it won't even fit in a ///). This was used with
the TOPS system to network macs and PCs together with localtalk.

Michel.
 
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From BARPRI at saif.com  Wed Mar 10 11:58:24 2004
From: BARPRI at saif.com (Bart Prine)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:58:24 -0800
Subject: [APPLE3-L] Fwd: Apple III pix up!
Message-ID: <561F67480C57684FA4E4CBE9F2B8195F09E46C62@alphamail.corp.saif.com>


Way cool David!!!!=20
I am replying to this from my work ID,=20

btw.  the one pic there of ???  that says 1meg ROM in it:  I do believe =
that fell into the wrong box:
It looks to be the ROM for either a IIsi or a SE/30 Mac(s)  If it is =
what I THINK it is, then it came from a IIsi and will fit a SE/30 with a =
twist:  It is a "clean" ROM that upgrades the SE/30 in hardware without =
the need of software dodges..
Question:  Do you or WAP have any pics of an Apple /// Plus? =20

And another question...maybe I should ask the list this one..  Recently =
I had an oops that cracked off one of my Apple ///s  keys from the =
keyboard.  it is cracked on the  plastic bit that looks like a cross (if =
you do not know what I mean, you have never broken a key..be grateful! =
:)  Any suggestions on a good glue to repair this?







Begin forwarded message:

> From: David Ottalini <david.ottalini at verizon.net>
> Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004  4:55:18 AM US/Pacific
> To: A3 Listserve <APPLE3-L at altair.com>
> Subject: [APPLE3-L] Fwd: Apple III pix up!
>
> ///ers - take a look! Anyone remember anything about a 1 Meg ROM Simm
> or a Centram Systems card (networking I think).
>
> Dave
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Bruce Damer <bdamer at digitalspace.com>
>> Date: March 10, 2004 1:40:24 AM EST
>> To: David Ottalini <david.ottalini at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Apple III pix up!
>>
>> Hi Dave, I finally got our wonderful Apple III pix up at:=20
>> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/appleIII/index.html
>>
>>  This is the one from Apple's own library that they donated, a real
>> treasure.
>>
>>  Bruce
>>
>>  At 08:49 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote:
>>
>> Great!=A0=A0 I fired up the /// in the WAP office today - everyone
>> enjoyed watching the horses run through their paces...
>>
>>  Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> DigitalSpace
>> 343 Soquel Avenue, # 70
>> Santa Cruz CA 95062-2305 USA
>> damer at digitalspace.com
>>
>>
>> http://www.digitalspace.com
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From catman at dia.net  Wed Mar 10 14:17:07 2004
From: catman at dia.net (Steven Christensen)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 13:17:07 -0600
Subject: [APPLE3-L] Fwd: Apple III pix up!
Message-ID: <D14F6E56-72C7-11D8-86B6-000502701F1C@dia.net>

Hi Folks,

I have a /// Plus and I don't have a manual for it. The ports on the 
back are way different than the regular ///. How do you connect a disk 
drive to it and can't you use a /// floppy drive with it?

P.S. When is Dave Ottalini coming to North Dakota so I can buy him a 
pizza like I promised a couple of years ago?


On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 10:58  AM, Bart Prine wrote:

>
> Way cool David!!!!=20
> I am replying to this from my work ID,=20
>
> btw.  the one pic there of ???  that says 1meg ROM in it:  I do 
> believe =
> that fell into the wrong box:
> It looks to be the ROM for either a IIsi or a SE/30 Mac(s)  If it is =
> what I THINK it is, then it came from a IIsi and will fit a SE/30 with 
> a =
> twist:  It is a "clean" ROM that upgrades the SE/30 in hardware 
> without =
> the need of software dodges..
> Question:  Do you or WAP have any pics of an Apple /// Plus? =20
>
> And another question...maybe I should ask the list this one..  
> Recently =
> I had an oops that cracked off one of my Apple ///s  keys from the =
> keyboard.  it is cracked on the  plastic bit that looks like a cross 
> (if =
> you do not know what I mean, you have never broken a key..be grateful! 
> =
> :)  Any suggestions on a good glue to repair this?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: David Ottalini <david.ottalini at verizon.net>
>> Date: Wed Mar 10, 2004  4:55:18 AM US/Pacific
>> To: A3 Listserve <APPLE3-L at altair.com>
>> Subject: [APPLE3-L] Fwd: Apple III pix up!
>>
>> ///ers - take a look! Anyone remember anything about a 1 Meg ROM Simm
>> or a Centram Systems card (networking I think).
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>> From: Bruce Damer <bdamer at digitalspace.com>
>>> Date: March 10, 2004 1:40:24 AM EST
>>> To: David Ottalini <david.ottalini at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Apple III pix up!
>>>
>>> Hi Dave, I finally got our wonderful Apple III pix up at:=20
>>> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/appleIII/index.html
>>>
>>>  This is the one from Apple's own library that they donated, a real
>>> treasure.
>>>
>>>  Bruce
>>>
>>>  At 08:49 PM 3/9/2004, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Great!=A0=A0 I fired up the /// in the WAP office today - everyone
>>> enjoyed watching the horses run through their paces...
>>>
>>>  Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> DigitalSpace
>>> 343 Soquel Avenue, # 70
>>> Santa Cruz CA 95062-2305 USA
>>> damer at digitalspace.com
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.digitalspace.com
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From dave.ottalini at wap.org  Thu Mar 11 00:04:44 2004
From: dave.ottalini at wap.org (Dave Ottalini)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 00:04:44 -0500
Subject: [APPLE3-L] Fwd: Apple III pix up!
In-Reply-To: <D14F6E56-72C7-11D8-86B6-000502701F1C@dia.net>
References: <D14F6E56-72C7-11D8-86B6-000502701F1C@dia.net>
Message-ID: <9C495124-7319-11D8-9DB9-0003937DD8D0@wap.org>

North Dakota Pizza... yummmmm :)

The only difference is the connector for the external drive. Apple in 
their wisdom decided to change it but NOT the connector on the external 
drive! So you had to plug the cable from the external (which worked 
perfectly in the original ///) and into a "dongle" that then plugged 
into the "new" connector in the back. I don't believe there is anything 
else back there that changed. That "dongle" is near impossible to find 
anymore, by the way... and it was expensive to boot even then. It was 
included with the ///+ tho when purchased new.

Dave

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From dave.ottalini at wap.org  Thu Mar 11 18:34:07 2004
From: dave.ottalini at wap.org (Dave Ottalini)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:34:07 -0500
Subject: [APPLE3-L] A3+ Connector
Message-ID: <974101EC-73B4-11D8-AB2B-0003937DD8D0@wap.org>


Anyone confirm that the pin-out from the D-type 25 pin connector for 
the external drive on the ///+ is 1 to 1, etc... Someone wants to make 
up a cable.

Dave

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From catman at dia.net  Thu Mar 11 20:58:04 2004
From: catman at dia.net (Steven Christensen)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:58:04 -0600
Subject: [APPLE3-L] A3+ Connector
In-Reply-To: <974101EC-73B4-11D8-AB2B-0003937DD8D0@wap.org>
Message-ID: <B36BECBA-73C8-11D8-86B6-000502701F1C@dia.net>

I'd like one too, Dave, if you find a source. And I've been meaning to 
order the A3 DVD. Still got 'em?

Hey, everybody have you seen www.folklore.org as mentioned in the 
latest MacWorld mag? It's a great history of Apple site made by Andy 
Hertzfeld! I am an Apple fan since 1984 and it's one of the better 
sites that I've seen.

Take Care,
Steve C.


On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 05:34  PM, Dave Ottalini wrote:

>
> Anyone confirm that the pin-out from the D-type 25 pin connector for 
> the external drive on the ///+ is 1 to 1, etc... Someone wants to make 
> up a cable.
>
> Dave
>
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From jeff at altair.com  Fri Mar 12 07:42:19 2004
From: jeff at altair.com (Jeff Marraccini)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:42:19 -0500
Subject: [APPLE3-L] Apple /// Profile interface card needed :-(
Message-ID: <26EB93D6A797D411A41F00D0B7D4E81C07769A59@exchange.prog.altair.com>


Recently my two Apple ///'s suffered simultaneous power supply failures when
my UPS fried.  A friend rebuilt the power supplies for me, but there is a
lingering causalty - one Profile card no longer works.

If any of you have an extra you would be willing to sell to me or know where
I could get one, I would be grateful.

Thankfully, everything else is working great and there was no data loss.

Thanks,

Jeff
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From dave.ottalini at wap.org  Fri Mar 12 00:19:50 2004
From: dave.ottalini at wap.org (Dave Ottalini)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:19:50 -0500
Subject: [APPLE3-L] A3+ Connector
In-Reply-To: <B36BECBA-73C8-11D8-86B6-000502701F1C@dia.net>
References: <B36BECBA-73C8-11D8-86B6-000502701F1C@dia.net>
Message-ID: <E2DAB303-73E4-11D8-AB2B-0003937DD8D0@wap.org>

Here's a bit more..

       The Apple III Plus has a DB25 connector for the external disk 
drive I/O port.
       The standard Disk III has a 26-DIP flat connector on the cable.  
To use the
       standard Disk III with an Apple III+, you must acquire a Disk III 
Cable
       Adapter. The service part number for this cable adapter is 
655-6101.

       Future Disk III drive cables will have a DB25 connector and will 
need no
       adapter. (Dave note - this never happened).

       CAUTION:  Before connecting a Disk III to an Apple III+, be sure 
that pin 13
                has been removed from the adapter.  The pin can either 
be clipped off
                or pulled out. Later versions of the adapters may have 
this pin
                removed for you.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=150

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From pilgrimer at syndicomm.com  Fri Mar 12 00:55:26 2004
From: pilgrimer at syndicomm.com (Bart)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:55:26 -0800
Subject: [APPLE3-L] A3+ Connector
In-Reply-To: <E2DAB303-73E4-11D8-AB2B-0003937DD8D0@wap.org>
Message-ID: <DC07E2A4-73E9-11D8-BB28-000393C0D6B2@syndicomm.com>

From: Dave Ottalini <dave.ottalini at wap.org>
Date: Thu Mar 11, 2004  9:19:50 PM US/Pacific
To: A3 Listserve <APPLE3-L at altair.com>
Subject: Re: [APPLE3-L] A3+ Connector

Here's a bit more..

       The Apple III Plus has a DB25 connector for the external disk 
drive I/O port.
       The standard Disk III has a 26-DIP flat connector on the cable.  
To use the
       standard Disk III with an Apple III+, you must acquire a Disk III 
Cable
       Adapter. The service part number for this cable adapter is 
655-6101.

       Future Disk III drive cables will have a DB25 connector and will 
need no
       adapter. (Dave note - this never happened).

       CAUTION:  Before connecting a Disk III to an Apple III+, be sure 
that pin 13
                has been removed from the adapter.  The pin can either 
be clipped off
                or pulled out. Later versions of the adapters may have 
this pin
                removed for you.

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=150

OK dave:  question: the old Amiga 3.5 drive used a DB-25 connector.  Is 
there any similarity electrically to the Apple ///?  that is, could one 
use one of these drives, create SOS disks and actually USE them?   
realize this would not be a "historical" /// but it would provide a 
method for getting a wee more on a disk.  With the limited room getting 
all the SOS device drivers on there is somewhat of a problem.  This 
brings me to a similar point:  Does anyone know if the Apple II 
Superdrive 1.4mb floppy card would work on an Apple ///?

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From Administrator at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us  Fri Mar 12 02:33:43 2004
From: Administrator at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us (Administrator)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 23:33:43 -0800
Subject: [APPLE3-L] A3+ Connector
Message-ID: <DD7FE473A8C3C245ADA2A2FE1709D90B0DAFA0@server2003.arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>

> Bart
> question: the old Amiga 3.5 drive used a DB-25 connector.
> Is there any similarity electrically to the Apple ///?

No. The Amiga drive is proprietary same as the Apple drives. ISTR that
the Amiga drives did use the index hole, which made transforming
single-sided disks into flappable ones more difficult than simply
cutting the write-protect notch on the other side like we did on Apple
drives.

> that is, could one use one of these drives, create SOS
> disks and actually USE them?  =20

No. Electrically speaking, the Disk /// is extremely similar to the good
old Disk ][; the only significant difference is in drive addressing: the
Disk /// has a daisy-chain system that adds 1 to the drive number as you
plug it to the back of the drive before it, up to 4 drives per chain.
The Disk ][ can only have 2 drives per chain and the drive number is
fixed by the connector it is plugged to. You could use a disk ][ in the
back of a /// with an adapter.

The reason for this connector change is that the ///+ was supposed to
use the //e Unidisk unit as the external floppy (if you have never seen
a Unidisk, it's like a //e Duodisk cut in two pieces, and it does
daisy-chain with the same 25-pin cable found on the back of a ///+. The
controller for the Unidisk is the same as the Duodisk: single DB-25
connector out. The duodisk does not have a daisy-chain output connector
but the unidisk does. It is rumored that you can have only one Unidisk
unit out the back of a ///+, vs. three Disk /// out of the back of a ///
non-plus.

> realize this would not be a "historical" /// but it would
> provide a method for getting a wee more on a disk.

If you're good at hacking drivers, you could jerry-rig a disk][ board to
a DSDD 5"1/4 drive and get 640k out of it (2sides x 40tracks x
16sectors). If my memory is correct that's what the 640k MicroSci drive
was. 
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From MJMahon at aol.com  Fri Mar 12 13:38:51 2004
From: MJMahon at aol.com (MJMahon@aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 13:38:51 EST
Subject: [APPLE3-L] A3+ Connector
Message-ID: <1ad.20db0c4e.2d835dbb@aol.com>

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From catman at dia.net  Fri Mar 12 15:08:03 2004
From: catman at dia.net (Steven Christensen)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:08:03 -0600
Subject: [APPLE3-L] Duodisk Drive
Message-ID: <F835527E-7460-11D8-87A3-000502701F1C@dia.net>

Is is possible to use the Duodisk drive with the Apple ///+? I've got 
one of those but I can't find a //e Unidisk.

Thanks,
Steve C.

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From michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us  Fri Mar 12 19:29:16 2004
From: michel at arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us (Michel Py)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:29:16 -0800
Subject: [APPLE3-L] A3+ Connector
Message-ID: <DD7FE473A8C3C245ADA2A2FE1709D90B0DAFA1@server2003.arneill-py.sacramento.ca.us>

> MJMahon at aol.com wrote:
> Actually, all the later model Apple II drives use
> the DE-19 connector, not the DB-25.

You're bloody right; I just look in the back of my duodisk a 19-pin it
is.
The ///+  unidisk I have must be a hack: I never noticed it but the
daisy chain connector is a 19-pin as well.

> If twice the track density could be used (80 tracks),
> then together with double sided operation it could
> produce a 640KB drive.
> This is, I believe, what Micro-Sci did.

Right on.


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